Comments on: The SEO Industry needs to grow a pair SEO industry Thoughts and Rants Sun, 12 Oct 2014 06:21:05 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jesse Green Thu, 12 May 2011 03:21:26 +0000 They’ll never go away entirely Alan – that would be too much to expect. But if we continue to bring the not-so-good-doers to light, we can most certainly expect improvement. And I think if Google and the others saw a concerted effort to self-regulate, we’d probably be more in their favor as well.

By: Alan Bleiweiss Thu, 12 May 2011 03:09:34 +0000 Thanks for your comments Jesse. I doubt the black hatters will go away so easily. Yet The more light we bring to the issues at hand the more likely there will be less profit in it for them and their herd should thin out a bit.

By: Jesse Green Thu, 12 May 2011 03:00:34 +0000 I equate SEO reputation troubles to the same issues the public relations industry faces (another industry I am part of). I think outing those that are doing wrong is entirely sensible. Naturally outing these people is a double edged sword – but only to a degree. While a public indictment of wrongdoing will cast further doubt on our industry, the fact of the matter is that SEO is unregulated, and thus an open lambasting shows that white hat SEO experts have no tolerance for cheating the system. And if we keep doing this, the grey and black hat guys will start to disappear (hopefully anyway), and eventually we should start to gain a greater level of trust. Character is doing the right thing – even when no one is looking.

By: Jason Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:24:25 +0000 I liken the battle between Google and SEO practices to card counters in casinos. Sure, they are guilty of breaking house rules, but is it really cheating? Or is it just finding ways of beating the house at their own game. I’m not saying there aren’t SEO practices that aren’t shady and shouldn’t be looked down upon, just that it’s not as black and white as some might think.

By: James Cordeiro (You Go Media) Sun, 06 Mar 2011 22:54:39 +0000 We completely second Jim’s comment :)!

By: Alan Bleiweiss Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:40:18 +0000 Pashmina,

Thank you for providing your insights on this issue. When we first met at the Blueglass conference, it was clear your life maturity goes beyond your years on this planet.

And now that you’ve weighed in, I’ll take this concept, and my position on it a step further. Making decisions on the premise that freedom is limited, or financial security as a motive just reflects the emotional fear that drives such thinking.

From that perspective, I can definitely say I’ve been there in my own life, though it wasn’t until I had the willingness to look beyond the curtain that I was able to see the root cause. And at this point in my journey, fear is a lot less tempting. Not because I’m wealthy in financial terms, because I am not. Instead, it’s because I have no willingness to be slave to the fear when it comes to business decisions.

Ultimately however, I appreciate your reminding me of these things, because it helps me to also remember that attempting to help the walking unconscious (not to mention the desire to shake them awake) is just that – attempting to wake up people who are not necessarily ready to waken.

By: Pashmina Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:13:45 +0000 Alan, awesome post. Your thoughts here on your ethics and comment responses only serve to confirm how highly I think of you.

This whole debate on ethics, seems to be the crux of the disagreement, and I’m sure a few participants are already thinking what you point out, (and others have said to me repeatedly):
“Everybody does it so don’t be naive.”

I’d like to suggest that there are stages to a person’s maturity and development of ethics. You have a very high level ethical standards, and that come from you having success and the freedom to choose. For a another marketer just trying to survive or get that next pay check, his freedom is limited, and he’ll rationalize what you perceive to be unethical as an opportunity that he must take advantage of. Sure, you can say he still has that choice, and he can refuse, but unfortunately financial security (or survival) often trumps ethics. If you put someone in an extreme survival situation, ethics is the first thing to go out the window, and some sociological studies claim that no one is immune from this.

Then there’s the distinction between ethics & morals. Sometimes used interchangeably but I think morals apply to beliefs about individual behavior, and ethics apply to reasoned justification of a social systems or standards. Your stance suggests an ethical framework, not a moral code. And I think you’ve made your justifications clear. And I agree with them!

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By: Alan Bleiweiss Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:22:20 +0000 Steve,

Of course there is always the concern regarding someone seeking to sink a competitor by pointing paid links at one of my clients sites. Whether I out somebody or not, it’s another aspect of this industry. Personally I choose not to make decisions based on fear or threats. Beyond that, I never reveal to the public who my top clients are so anyone seeking revenge because I call them out for blatantly egregious acts is not going to ever be able to target my clients.

As far as the chest-thumping “my dick is bigger than yours if I only care about money” references, that just validates the position I hold regarding what this is all about for people who implement bottom-feeder tactics. It’s all about money obtained through wreckless business practices and the very heart of why this industry is perceived so poorly by mainstream media. Personally I’m happy bringing in the revenue I do working 20 – 30 hours a week, and referring out a million a year to companies that offer services I don’t specialize in. If it takes a Shoemoney to fit in the “serious cash” column for you, you’re welcome to believe that.

By: Steve Wilson Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:39:26 +0000 Ill make it real simple why you should never report competitors.

What if I point links, obviously paid links, at you or your clients Alan? Sure you’ll deny it but don’t they all?! If google reacted by anything more than disregarding those links we would have huge problems.

You cant stop people linking to you.

White hat, black hat its all rubbish. Its about money, not ethics. Not glory or rules. The guys top of real money making serps will laugh at the “i wouldn’t dare step out of line gang” who get by making no serious cash whilst feeling like they followed the rules (whilst pretending to be real earners etc).

Talk is cheap.